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They will cut off welfare soon and force people to go to work regardless of what the states are able to do with restrictions. In order to maintain the integrity of our subreddit, accounts must be a minimum of 3 days old in order to post or comment.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. How could letting this thing escape containment possibly help the economy long term? I saw something on live news feed yesterday trump and morrison had a productive meeting yesterday about how to combat the virus I mean not to be grim but Australia has an aging population and a pension cliff. I can see some IPA ghouls licking their lips about it.

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They would be stupid to. The rate of disability from the disease will cost far more than the pension. Not just the but long term morbidity for some younger people who catch it. They will need medicinal treatment for the rest of their lives. I see Stressful times and the media fear-mongers enough! So do you accept the risk of potentially removing a segment of the population elderly pensioners at the post of possibly adding a significant number of younger disabled people who will need support longer.

That includes the possible increase in required health services in the future to manage a large disabled population and a larger segment of the population who may not be able to financially support themselves and require community support. The concept of asymmetry is a thing. I'd rather be cautious now while facts are lite on the ground than have life long regrets later when the facts come to light. Im all for stage 4 and and being cautious lol! Im just cautious of stories screaming that long lasting effects of covid are certain.

Feel like so much comes down to individual biology. Stress can exhibit physically.

Technically, yes, until they've live the rest of their lives, this will just be speculation. Have fun being technically correct. Some small number for sure though people require organ transplants, that means medical treatment for the rest of their lives. No speculation needed. I have a slight suspicion that large companies are pressuring the government to ease restrictions. Yes indeed. Especially since large companies have no qualms about using the Uyghurs slave labour and profiting off misery I'm no medical expert.

But the AMA is calling for stage 4 lockdowns. Our leading epidemiologists, professors and doctors are calling for an elimination strategy as suppression has failed. Life wouldn't go back to normal but at least we wouldn't have to worry so much about the modelling that shows that one third of Australians won't socially distance properly. The longer repeated lockdowns go on for, the higher the likelihood is that more people will go stir crazy and breach protocols.

Eliminate all community transmission and go hard on quarantining returning travellers. The Murdoch media rhetoric and our useless PMs position on loosening restrictions and reopening borders too early for 'the economy' has left our second biggest city in a mess. Get off Dan Andrews back and let him, and our health care crew do their jobs. To me it seems like madness to loosen restrictions while there's still community transmission.

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Keep Melbourne locked down. Lock Sydney down now, not in two weeks when we've got hundreds of cases here too. It's better for the economy in the long run and it will save lives. They tentatively said that they were seeing less activity in the city from traffic data and Google, Facebook data.

What we saw in cases this week was possibly from behaviour just prior to the city wide lockdown, they also said the R0 is going down. I am waiting to see what the next few days are like. I've been keeping an eye on CityMapper. Definitely a reduction of people out and about, but still too many to contain the current outbreak. This bot wants to find the best and worst bots on Reddit. You can view results here. Even if I don't reply to your comment, I'm still listening for votes.

Check the webpage to see if your vote registered! The thing is the virus is already rife within the community. Stage 4 worked in NZ as they did it early before it had a chance to properly spread. I feel imposing a stage 4 lockdown now is a case of too little, too late.

Whos to say thing infections wont start climbing as soon as its lifted. Then itll be for nothing, just like the first lockdown. Basically everything is shut except for pharmacies and supermarkets. You would need the military involved for this and I think in NZ even online businesses were closed in a lot of cases.

I don't think we actually need to go that far, I think it would be sufficient enough to close down retail shopping and just bring in the military to scare people into staying indoors. Pick and choose what businesses are deemed essential. Could also make masks a requirement and tighten up rules around exercise. Could also tighten up rules around traveling around great distances for work deemed not essential. NZ got rid of it because they never had sustained community transmission. It is a different situation to ours. You are ignoring the way this disease spreads. You could weld people in their houses and literally ban them from obtaining food or seeking medical care for emergencies and you would still have households with silent transmission for enough time to still be infectious once your Stage 4 is over.

And in a realistic scenario, the people out there producing and distributing food, the hospitals and aged care homes will continue to be locations where this spreads.

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Now we only need to get the Reff below 1 to have a sustained drop in transmission and far less cases. Even if we have literally zero cases in the entire country a merchant seaman could get sick on a cargo ship and cause a hospital outbreak and start it all again.

I think a lot of people on this sub need a reality check. These are being developed and would be a good way of keeping infected people out of workplaces.

And this is actually doable and realistic. Everyone calling for stage 4 and complete elimination is forgetting that this virus is still prevalent around the world. We pretty much did eliminate it last time around, and yet here we are.. The genome of that virus is completely gone.